Smack 1.5

Physical Specs
'Modeled' Electrolyzer Design: 
Smack
Electrode Material: 
304
Electrode Type: 
Plates
Number of Electrodes: 
18
Number of Cells: 
8
Electrolyte: 
NaOH
Stats
LPM: 
1
Volts: 
12
Starting Amps: 
15
Amps when hot: 
20
Peak Temperature: 
201F
Overall Design
Project Status: 
Testing
Electrolyzer Problems: 

Too hot after 45 minutes.

Were Images Uploaded?: 
No

HOT HOT

That thing gets hot doesn't it. Have you tried plastic wrapping it? Like here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yH4LZu49Zg

I've seen it where they use a pop bottle to wrap it because it will shrink with heat also.

re HOT HOT

It is wrapped with shrink wrap from McMaster, per the Smack design. I added the 2 extra plates on the ends per the modified Gen I design, shrink wrapped the straps, and then the whole cell after conditioning it. It just gradually heats as it runs, until it maxes at 201F. I found a digital wireless meat thermometer with a stainless probe at WalMart for $14, drilled a hole in the top of my cell, and permanently mounted it to my unit so I can monitor the heat of the cell. I hit 180F after about 45 minutes, and should probably stop it there. I let it run yesterday for 3 hours, and it levels out at 201F. However, I am using 1/8" clear extruded acrylic tube, and 200 is too hot for continuous use. What I didn't do with my last run is monitor amps, and it is possible I have too strong an electrolyte. But apart from the thinner tube, I am built per Smack specs. If you look at the latest data Smack posted on his Gen I and Gen II designs (http://smacksboosters.110mb.com/genIIdata.pdf), you will see that both his cells run at over 90C (194F), which makes me think that this is just a design that has to run hot.

You got it figured out

Sounds like you have it figured out way more than I do Smiling .

I'd never seen that genIIdata pdf before. Good stuff.

It would be interesting to see how many amps your pulling at 200 deg

Also, Do you have any pictures of your setup?

Thanks, but I'm still trying

Thanks, but I'm still trying to figure quite a bit out, actually. I've tried a few different designs, including a bunch of unsuccessful attempts with some 316 fine mesh wire I was given, and have 2 smacks built so far. I am trying various bubbler configurations right now, to satisfy myself that my booster will be safe when I put it in my Saab. I've also been accumulating gas mileage info on my car, so I can get some scientific results when I start using the booster. I haven't taken any pics yet, but will shortly, probably tomorrow after I finish my latest bubbler attempts. I just got some tube in from McMaster today, and will have some time tomorrow to play with my setup. I may run it again today for a few hours, and measure amps with temp to make sure I am not over pulling current. I am hesitant to get it up to 200F again, because the acrylic deformed a bit in my last hot run.

bubbler designs

What type of bubbler designs are you testing?

re: bubbler designs

The original Smack design used a piece of flexible nylon tubing glued to the side of the pipe. I could never get the tube straight, had a hard time getting the connectors to seal properly, and wasn't comfortable with that being the only line of defense between my cell and a flashback. I've built a couple out of 1 1/2" PVC, with screw off lid with clear plastic on it so that I could check the water level without using a sight tube. I also built a couple out of some Wamart pet water bottles that are clear with level markings on them. I just got some acrylic tube in today, along with some rubber stoppers, which is what Smack uses on his Gen II. I think these will work much better, and will fabricate a couple tomorrow to test.

welcome to the site

welcome to the site UH!!

nice my first car that i learned to drive was a 1984 900turbo 5 speed --black nice ride!!!

thru all my smacks the one thing i found that seemed to cause heat to go thru the roof wasthe straps---esp if you used forks---once I changed that and went to small strips --at short lengths my temps dropped 15-20Degrees

and as for bubbler --i have used a 2inch clear tube with a a red Mechanical test plug

i did a test with my old (1st) smack and took it apart and put it into a 16 inch long setup---the extra water really help keep the heat down 10 degrees but also hurt in a place to put it

2nd trial

I ran another set of tests today, and measured amps, volts, temperature, and rough output over a couple hours. Here is the data I got:

Time Temp(F) Volts Amps
0:00 63 12.24 9.9
0:15 87 12.3 13.96
0:30 109 12.18 14.5
0:45 132 12.02 17.28
1:00 155 11.91 18.5
1:15 175 11.92 18.28
1:30 191 11.84 20.5
1:45 200 11.82 22.21
2:00 201 11.58 18.43

At two hours in the temp stabilized, and my bubbler started to fail, so I gave up before did any damage to the cell casing. Amps weren't that bad, maxing out at about 22, and like my last long trial the temp stopped at 201F. The output was fairly consistent at about 1L per minute. By the end I saw some noticeable vapor in the gas coming out.

I took a few pics of my setup with my cell phone before I started, and will try to put them up in a bit. I want to break down the cell and take some pics of the guts, too.

Same output?

So your saying you had the same output of about 1lpm at 9 amps as you did at 22 amps? That seems weird to me.

Its also odd that your amps dropped at the end. but your voltage a bit lower also... I don't know.

Any pictures you have would be good. Thanks Smiling .

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